Nov 25, 2013|
Reaction to the Packers' tie with the Vikings, is it better than a loss?
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Well Israel's really weird and good morning it's -- get -- degree -- Monday -- Sports -- twelve of the WS has been. Barry not a field day -- like it's a loss. I feel like you feel like a loss from it was a game yesterday and it just watch the fans walk out. And you know be in the locker room and -- game McCarthy's press -- -- Those guys -- seem like -- lost the game if you block like that locker you're like man these guys lost this game. I feeling I think it's it's it's strange because I don't think anybody really knows how to -- -- mean. That you feel bad I don't think you feel good dog that we could take all -- But didn't win either know like a whole -- because they don't beat a team that was to an -- in your house. You lead you to -- -- team you're divisional opponent you need to win this team. And -- I mean they came back OK it's better than a loss but still it wasn't that good. Just know now and on and I just I just I feel like a loss I feel like it's a loss. Because you missed out and -- real good chance. To. Put yourself right with Detroit penalized only only have to keep mount now lost those that middle of the not getting a loss prevents you from -- further back but but he really can culture caused him it didn't have reds on their putts that there -- new overtime. Would be sitting here but I -- Mike -- -- thankfully -- -- with 237 deficit. You have Packers tie yesterday which is it's. I'm still it's still weird they need by the Vikings senate to related to the finish they've -- the Vikings 2646. Yesterday after being down. A heck of a lot in this ball game -- your right -- there is. There's some credit to be going around it or should be dished out -- guess by packer fans and and whatnot for this team was down 237 with 1422. To go in the game. Which which amazing. They're able to flight all the way back and enforce an overtime. And only two. Early squandered opportunity is the right way to put it but they -- warning they were unable to get the ball. Into the end zone in -- first the gold the six. And they couldn't get it -- wouldn't give him so they kick a field goal and I mean I -- -- -- shocked. It's -- I also look at the clock it's 234 elevenths they -- the Packers got the ball back like yeah I was like this is good and that it's. Yeah I didn't realize -- I -- I know the Packers marched down the field. There's second try and they they kick the field goal. Or their first strike should say make it available in the second drive of the game. When you watched Arizona just -- -- through the Packers like melted butter in the overtime like we have analyst the sides I have zero faith when they -- in the red zone. They -- going to be able to get the to stop. Adrian Peterson. And then and viking offense -- till we -- hurt by humans are Gerardo offense now. -- I just because you know you watch that game yesterday knew like man -- that overtime just think. -- -- -- looking at the right guy that that's what is what's going on here he's just getting into the second -- churning out yardage. -- it and then -- rushed for 200 yards. Just -- that was in -- half. -- -- -- -- I don't I don't feel that I want you guys each you don't feel good original feel awful media -- -- along I do I do feel terrible I at a -- I just feel like a loss I feel -- consultants -- going to be at I don't feel good I beat if you tied it if the Denver Broncos at W plates. And or doing -- Patriots or you know really really good team. But it tied a team gets to -- that's what bothers me a division opponent a bit division opponent get a chance the really. Put yourself in decent position going into destroyers -- are you still are which could put up a better spot by -- -- in the game. Three things can happen in a football you -- win you can lose and apparently you can tie and you go into a deep -- to tie it's. It's highs are there ever a bad -- that's what's his last fifty years every ties that we had watched the -- the -- last night. And -- get a -- -- clock is winding dynamite. Man this is gonna end at a -- double ties baby doubles which we've ever had before in the NFL. -- of modern era no idea but. I did with holes that I am a sudden -- fiddle -- -- -- mosque. A mistake at the and that he gave up up putts that touched. A Bronco and was you know ruled a fumble. We'd be talking about 2 ties -- this morning first tie since sun November 11 of last year. First tie under the new overtime rules. -- because the -- these these overtime rules were only instituted. In the the playoffs last year and five and finally to the regular season. Now -- I think these two overtime rules if he was the old rules -- -- the game. That's not only these new overtime rules Packers scored for -- who scores first should win the game. -- you the other team a chance you know of course the Packers couldn't stop them. -- -- course and this is why I've always that I don't like these rules I like the the original overtime so we're on the same way. I've always said it I don't you did and then change your mind or whatever you like the college ones better -- at all I don't like the college ones at all I I have never been a fan of these new overtime rules so at least the college once you fight to the finish. I mean you keep compact sport from. I like the idea -- the 25 lead but you know this idea of giving bowl teams a shot in the overtime and I'd say the -- at the Vikings -- won the game. It should be the first gore wins to do it for so many years that way and also at night your change I I've never liked it because to me defense. -- play a factor in you in your. In your team's ability to win a game absolutely. -- if you can't win a football -- with your defense. If you can't stop a money driving the overtime guess what you probably don't deserve to win exactly. It was sort of the money you agree good keep it up they got its only three week now while supporting it 45 every day for you -- out of a market Friday. -- the day after the Packers -- But yeah I'm just I -- I just I don't like those overtime rules you know it's just I -- a lot of people in the stat heads yesterday. Corn growers Packers -- the team yesterday -- probably thought they won the game. After Crosby at the field goal in overtime there was so I know -- Packers out of the locker room they didn't know that there wasn't going to be a second one. Hardly see most for a listed no model we have come when you play from from Lacey Mike. At least he thought that team you know the -- in the -- hit that -- that they would tie. -- C -- and the college rules he can and that its side but he did not realize that the now that was the story yeah I'd immediate. It's knew. -- probably known all the rules yeah. But. -- -- -- -- -- I was actions if you look at the first bounces something -- we don't have those doing I don't know though the terms. And I just also made it. It sort of an SL did you learn something -- Mean it -- that I don't think it changes anything immunity lacy was -- -- not try in the first overtime revealing that it changes anything. -- million -- game. This this is an interesting game from about 8000 different perspectives. In only got the did the -- -- paying. -- paying big had the defense ponders sling that thing around. The ground game of the bikes there's a lot of blocked against him this morning absolutely a lot to get to this morning were -- all this morning we'll take your phone calls on the Packers tie. 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We should -- four games going division. Good morning Sports Radio -- of the WS -- -- -- -- and make it served up by Perkins restaurant make reason they're putting it all on the table weather today high 31 it snow showers early up to an inch. Down to 24 night that's were at right now. Taking your phone calls on know what that guy did yesterday -- led his team to yesterday the Packers and Vikings played to a 2626. -- Chuck says it feels like a -- McCartney says it feels empty what -- you think 4147991254147991250. I think what I -- -- it doesn't feel as bad as a loss. And they say it feels like kissing your sister so it's just not right but after a tie and the NFC north coming back to Green Bay for some reason. Nobody in this division wants to take stranglehold on it and I don't feel as bad as they do after a loss but I don't feel as good. As I do you know after feeling different because -- You know I just feel beach SC dodger considerably pointed out and I mean you know you Terrell the only right to me -- consider. You know it's the Vikings we had nothing to -- for and they came in here and took it right to next. That the quality game I think the Packers at a port quality game again -- might look yet I mean -- score out they played they played a poor game. They played a -- a -- -- game once again and that's about it -- that's what gets me the most. It's diplomats -- you could tell I mean what are you most of disappointed in the defense again. I mean quarterback play. -- -- what the score Arjun is disappointed that we didn't and the performance. Yeah that's what that's what it is it is disappointing performance. IE. You have to where they would've won that game -- -- -- would have -- like how disappointing performance and that's a playoff football right there. Nobody you know what is -- -- there aren't too many teams out there that are playing great football and vision especially now is by an and that's that's why bring in a totality of the in the in the tie. The totality of the tie. The Packers. Are now 55 in one. The Bears embarrass themselves yesterday on the road against Saint Louis at that place and lost. Baddeley 4221. And -- you talk about disappointment. Imagine being in Detroit today -- on aid. Honolulu blue Monday. -- 83 days before they're Super Bowl. They just got beat like -- -- at Ford Field you know as were driving up to the game I was telling Tom clocked a return sex object as a Hewlett. I think Tampa's gonna beat Detroit and it Jenny was so I just got this field Tampa's on a little girl that's three straight and has three in a row boy -- -- Com they had a chance to take a stranglehold on things in the -- get it done so that's why don't feel so bad even if you're a pair of ten you're pissed today if you're -- viking fan your -- moved whatever we're still get a top ten pick. If you're a lion fan you're pissed today if you're packer -- like well. We control our own destiny. But -- still looking at trying to play championship football because it you know their style of play it may be good enough to win the division but -- probably not good enough to win a Super Bowl. You know obviously things change and brightest -- but it just like there's so -- of holes this team is like it does Rodgers does come back. Are they good enough to 'cause he could have the cover up some but -- -- given up 234 yards rushing. Is he good enough to cover up that guys dropping interceptions. Making mistakes yeah they were Ivan too when this team was given a -- yards and dropping interceptions all around the rest go to a lot better little rusty Phil -- what happened to anybody you -- -- -- it's been since Rodgers has gone out since Forte had that big game against them. On the money making it might it's just like the -- defense is has gone right the tank. I think part of that it was a got to get on the field more often more often beyond there be you know -- on the field for more plays because you know Scott told -- -- -- as we're grass it has since he came in again it against the Eagles. But without Rogers on the field to be the guy to make teams play different because I mean let's let's be honest -- played against Aaron Rodgers a couple things one. On you know the Packers are on the the offense is on the field a little bit longer generally. Do. There there's more of a chance for the Packers to be up three scores early in the game or the second quarter. Annual -- the and the opposition is stuck in a run the football so that plays into it -- we look at sheer numbers as fans we say. They're give -- up 250 yards rushing they weren't doing that when Rogers was here but I'll that would Rodgers was healthy and I don't have stats and backing this up. -- never let facts get -- of a really good point. You know if you if you think you're gonna look at what Rodgers -- in the -- a point one -- then or whatever you look at what the Washington game you're up. Seemingly thirty did nothing after the coin flip and there was no way -- were gonna they were gonna run -- Morse and and the and the rush defense and have to see dad. They did that just think it's a -- a factor when you play against Aaron Rodgers you want him off the field. When he gets on the -- you got to do you're -- as a commodity all the stats and Rogers to back to point here. Most of the time when Rodgers wins games he wins block outs he -- -- you know he's not -- when he's a close game he loses. But when he wins a game it's like ten or more points in the record -- some amazing Annika and when it is a close game I mean sometimes you need your defense to step up and make a play Andy or make those plays early this year are at it -- not now because for whatever reason they. They'd say they're very they're they're gassed in the third or fourth quarter and by the way the Packers defense getting off the field twice in the fourth quarter -- -- -- -- mother defense -- effort in the in this game overall but they got off the field twice -- they really really needed to to get the football back to the great Matt Flynn. Edited -- -- -- two times inside their own ten yard and the Vikings headed. You know there was one time to sort of to be time for and they trolls like how -- feel for field goals -- whole game. It is feel good you feel kinda bad I just feel you field name. -- -- -- Does this feel I don't feel awful because they didn't -- big gain ground in the standings yet but I just feel that great big -- I -- I I just feel awful because. I did that -- approved in the plants seeing the team resting. I just I just I. Look at the quality of the opponent the Vikings are one of the worst teams in the NFL right now and they were able to come in here. If you're the Vikings might feel like you gotta win but if you're a Packers. Feel like it's a loss I think at one point my bottom three -- -- your top three bottom three and Wednesday's. I'm fairly certain at some point shot UN libeled and -- bottom three the consisted of Jacksonville. Tampa and Minnesota. And none of them lost yesterday you know Jacksonville and Campbell -- -- and the bikes by the Packers it just -- and it it just goes to show you about this league man. It's -- it doesn't matter. You don't know anything not -- visited -- -- but we don't know as fans. We don't know who's gonna win from week to week anything can happen and when -- -- Where in the locker room shock I'm sure there was a lot of talk about division fall and division opponent and that was -- -- we have Mike Daniels on last week. You know these these teams know each other twice a year and they're important. Yeah it's tough the -- divisional opponent it is it really is -- it is it it's it's tough to do. Calm because the other like he's and we talked a while last week the politically school wouldn't play -- the Vikings they want to come in here and -- -- win I thought if you could if you got up on the Vikings at halftime. They would just mail it in. But obviously the Vikings came in here wanted to play spoiler the dish it they -- did -- did and you know what they could have went the other way and -- one. They could have been -- -- of I mean I thought David -- -- an early lead. That you know how part of -- play in the second Tampa -- the Vikings. Got down got a couple of field goals and and just kept right on truck the right through these guys as if your -- -- -- -- Airlines -- -- -- now mean you saw. Bowl teams playing inferior opponents one on the road yes. But boy the Bears got rocked by -- by the Rams yesterday just true Rockets are actually three -- game. That is really it strikes fear that you did that I ran for a 156 yards against the -- defense once that -- defense means -- -- -- the Packers. -- -- can run against the bared its division is wide open. None of these three nobody's. None of these 33 at three teams look like the play action to put -- now know 41479912. At the and you know lot football fans. Can be a really front five weeks man for the repeal it just -- five weeks ago we got ahead of us. Packer fans -- 1479912541479912. That the you can email us. Live Sports Radio twelfth at the dot com chuck says this -- feels like a loss do you agree. -- FaceBook pages well FaceBook dot com slash twelve that the WS SP can also -- up on Twitter. I'm at -- wicket he is at shut freemen were also at twelve -- PW as as pretty. Like sort of when the Packers are playing right now. And it's just the NFC north is turning into a joke that the that is like in the -- -- deplete the eight seed. The parks are trying for the Packers try to play when the last seeds in the playoffs just to get into the tournaments -- -- the differences in the NFL you get in is that as at six seed. You can -- all day I agree you Murray it was the eight -- you are and they roadkill isn't like because you're exactly right in the box had no shot at the eighth seed associates Miami the Packers getting into the tournament. They have shots stood above sport or seven -- -- 1250 we -- doing got to tolls Xena Matt Flynn Yankee believe that. Been on the average 45 minutes and got all lined a -- right to a we have we even talked about sky and -- -- The spin move and then the benching. What do -- for Matt Flynn let's go to -- -- would tell us that your our lead off hitter bill good morning you're on Sports Radio 1258. And -- -- one word pathetic how does this -- -- -- false start penalty. -- he's actually a lot it's the thing. Crap from a cart the parent think they are there -- here because he looked like quite seen that wanted it more. I mean c'mon I I addict now are trying to give credit in the order -- -- -- are absolutely right. -- -- -- On the Washington are quality lost their seniors want him gone on the player council to -- -- and with the amount of draft picks that we have bet on that side of the ball. All I saw 20 or what's been -- on the field for for a couple plays. -- -- cotton Owens I don't I'm dollar zone I'm down into. Why don't. Q how have -- -- to Daytona is actually the -- during this losing streak. It's Daytona was the MVP of the defense did they -- the last couple weeks into Monty Williams a week ago I mean you're wrong about -- -- Jones -- it's a little bit early to must not anybody. -- if you're done with a rookie after its eleven games. All eleven games and it's a little bit early little growing process but -- almost talking earlier in the week might. When I was up there Wednesday about how he's making a step forward to this this and he was invisible Jennie just a MD Jennings is terrible -- Its teeth hit the -- the secondary -- exhibit some issues with the defense and of course the L. Who's taken I'm sure would you do the sound off on cant wait coach capers is gonna take you on all you guys I had capers forget it I'm sure -- -- -- did you. Again it's like the question of you know scheme and and and and and players making plays. -- -- again AJ -- got a nice game I thought Brad Jones is all right and aimed at age eight to miss some tackles -- I don't think he put the best I think I I think Brad Jones -- another guy I'm the only one that's I think seemingly is on. The Brad Jones wagon I'm okay it would Brad Jones sacked -- -- right. Mean nobody stood out clay I don't -- played real well clay you know he forced. He forced the quarterback out of pocket ponder at a packed -- -- an arm and Daniels commitment -- huge sac I live my -- that was so that was Matthews who forced -- -- and Daniels made the sack. But you know is gonna get the brunt of the idea there the ridicule today right yeah. -- It down and -- And all of people are going to be same you -- -- -- keepers need to happen -- this year so it's in Tampa -- non did not display the year and acted as they. -- majesty he read some of the -- message boards -- personally there's got to make a switch now is going to be somebody else and its staff did its gotta be the same this team out. Go to -- John and Franklin -- on Sports Radio twelfth at the age on. Read more in -- -- does it feel like lawsuit. I -- -- I -- are. Yes you see what is is -- going on behind John. If I jump but also where are greatly help. I'm not a guy I'm not the guy and not let -- you look at -- look at that injury report both Florida game I mean a lot Ali. Spiel adult again area courses the way I mean this team -- it all break out on defense and -- -- All of our quarterback and more -- The personnel groups are all different or not but like that -- -- got the ball probably -- -- yet. Okay so let's agree because Detroit -- Detroit. A poem -- horrible coaching him and -- -- recruit saw. The bear -- enter parliament ready to jump while -- down there. So all the Asian. If you're gonna root for playoff he and I and I think we -- -- I believe we have a shot in my pit -- and how we play. -- supported in in the play calling. Which went for -- on an overtime. Why do we not vote for -- Because I think that if -- -- defense to make a stopper that. And. And it's. The defense could make a stop after punching it in from the field but you know hitting the -- Leo. Right touchdown of the game right there but you know that's I -- with them going -- the field -- that's the right move because then if he doesn't go for the field goal. And we're and his -- -- being a Mike McCarthy added that final that -- the end zone. Rodgers makes that pass -- -- it's not at a point where you've had that touch to make -- pastor. Majority and the McNabb wasn't purity it was a near questionable PI call within David Wright called my young adults lag out of the pit -- was long mean -- try to sell -- there. But -- novelty with a few bowler is gonna make a stop to -- offensively. Like to anyone at least the three teams. If -- say you know pick the winner of the division this season got -- Alice hustles it and spin the wheels come up with that -- blood you've. Divisive -- -- -- got to put all your chips -- to win the NFC north on one of these three teams. How are you -- pick I would if you were to tell me right now and -- -- I would say it's still say Detroit because they got the home game coming up against the Packers Thursday and amidst largely at home that home field advantage now really well over the Lions and -- -- -- Tampa Bay in Tokyo and tea -- and I -- select those reality -- -- point you're right Tom. The hell are you -- Best thing and admit he with -- Stafford been. They had bigbie had a chance at least say they did OT use -- two turnovers they had he has game yes at a resort to all of their turnovers they had you know you -- -- pick six a killer. At the end of the second quarter pick six yeah cost him to -- -- halftime lead. It's like you know Detroit is driving there. They get a field -- you know -- probably look at pretty good but that -- throws the pick six and apparently thrown ball. Conclusive staffers you know he's a little far Adam Davis said -- -- a little -- and am just dead decisions as far as the Vikings do. -- the Packers time -- guys the Vikings -- the Vikings yesterday the Vikings seventy point lead pretty tackles that thing out. I don't know the answer to that you know the Vikings okay we I don't know the -- -- walked up for running for 2034 yards but the flight he's got to be sitting here if they were. You don't if they were in title contention goes like how do you -- -- that. You don't win -- real Vikings the Vikings just missed a page viking history I -- able to seal the deal -- Players get -- fourth string quarterback basically dirt on -- fourth quarterback. The defense has not played very well and you blew a seventeen point lead. It's pretty -- Vikings of -- comical. I'd like viking fans probably smiley even though they did blow that lead -- they tied the Packers at Lambeau -- -- I think they probably feel better overall picture. -- Solved that fact that they were able to. You don't hold -- the hold their their their hated rival. Back a little bit but I thought it -- think if they and you know the key in the scheme wise when it -- on the fourth and one. The ladies we stuck behind a line of scrimmage and got the first down they stop and at some point game but like -- make the stop of fourth and one. Big win the game -- that's the play the game at -- drive it in and get in the first already won -- a great game yesterday catching and running people talk all about the Green Bay Packers Vikings and the tide -- it feel like a loss Ralph Jason -- on deck or 1479912. -- people on four. Seven and I twelve it beats chuck -- wicket. 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Climate Josh satin Packers around 237 at one point the second half bulls' -- was often -- passes the offense looked dead but the defense again the issue -- Peterson. Toby Gerhart led the way for the Vikings for 234 yards on the ground packer linebacker AJ hawk. You know we still have a chance you know we we need to. We don't have -- we don't have a chance we will come out and play better you know defense went for sure so we have to test -- -- so we're I think it's good to have the short week. Packers now 55 and one had to give Detroit on Thursday so that I -- to -- beat Denver 3431. In OT badgers moved up to fifty to the BCS bowl they wind up the regular season by hosting Penn State on separate top three teams the BCS. Alabama Florida State and Ohio State the only unbeaten teams. In the country Marquette at Arizona State tonight the box. 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You don't -- eventually okay we're here for Matt Flynn QB Matt -- -- -- so good lord Brian Brohm. Right here for -- But yeah I was really right beside Tim Couch Packers Jersey Weis at Lambeau Field that Tim Couch Jersey. We all know that that didn't last too long for 1479912. To be taking your phone calls lead of the trends also a little bit later on lot's happening over the weekend about -- badgers chuck. You know the win over Minnesota not that impressive to me they want they they won that game they were obviously the much better team -- -- cold Damon in Minneapolis that was survival -- -- was basically and get out of there. But wouldn't it be exciting part is. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- All those teams ahead of the loss mean on Friday we were talking about them going when you were here we -- going over bowl scenarios for the badgers and I thought -- they they're in a lot of help. They got some help in the BCS -- you know I think it's still going -- -- road beating your rival. A viking team that was the BCS -- double digits move it's still it's I I still think you don't didn't look great. It was a series of -- -- but still you won by double digits on the road against some of our rival. -- by fifteen and a half and they won by. 113 senior team -- -- badgers now to fifteen. In the in the BCS standings. Via the result. You know Baylor got. And in Clemson to earlier this year bowl teams is how it when it mattered most -- -- -- is back there in the -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Just got hammered by Arizona how about Rich Rod and how Rich Rod a dealer just got there just -- Oklahoma State and an ass kicking going into the weekend yes so I mean. Again you know with the two losses -- blowing out like two of the last three weeks. I'll -- -- the BCS and they are now via. I mean thirteen TE LES ago they were too but -- -- I don't look up they've been blowing out and it looked dead last and even their win a couple of weeks ago was that impressive how are you to look I I know anyone more coming up -- -- golf focused they're going to be they're not gonna wanna -- while the loss -- Let's party man particular state don't think -- party. I mean. Well -- -- been a Big Ten championship game about the badgers and as a nevermind but I'm really excited deceased -- Ohio State I don't want either team to win but. And once -- and knock off Ohio State don't you. He's Ohio State. Wins their team and it Vick could possibly could be useful but the national chipped chipped it depends man. Mean Florida State's got nobody in front of them there about a half a point. Percentage whatever. Ahead of Ohio State dramas can obviously go especially they win this -- what Iron Bowl this weekend Ohio State Michigan is this weekend. He got the Big Ten championship game for Ohio State both games are possible losses I think that there is still there I mean look doubtful for a few weeks go for the bench to get an at large BCS. But I've seen some people. Who you don't -- -- make their bowl projections have the -- than -- I saw that last week yeah so well this week I'll talk a lot about the BCS the -- obviously all week long is a Wisconsin. Now they get a win on Saturday they beat the rivals to keep the -- again old by the way. You look at -- the two teams they've lost two. He was number three in the BCS right now and teams go to the pac twelve championship game Arizona State locked up the berth with a win over UCLA. Arizona status -- just -- crushed UCLA. What -- they had a big lead and you just don't like six -- I have five -- they had a big lead that game might had a huge lead UCL mechanic aspect in the second half but. Arizona State was up by. When he won twenty points -- one point -- taking your phone calls on the Packers and their 2626. Tie with the Vikings yesterday chapter that feels like a loss. I'm somewhere between I think it feels like a -- this is what it should feel like it is -- but it was like a game that they. -- looked good do. 414 -- didn't look good playing and I should say 4147991254147. And I twelve that the taken your calls and we go to Ralph. On Sports Radio twelfth -- the WS has been good morning in Connecticut Ralph. I'd hate to say it if it felt like a lot to make yeah I mean just watch selecting -- -- over the last four weeks you know. Football -- or whoever trying to. Stop the bleeding on the -- for the Green Bay Packers I mean they're -- and we're all the injuries that we have to try to give him every opportunity. Well established and you can go look at where you're up pointing. Going -- -- And it just seems you know we talk about while the offense doesn't get to such an apparent loss thinking won't Iraq's former conceptually Vikings team. To come in bring Charlie back -- stadium atmosphere. You know you're looking up you see Detroit has gotten me. Contractually bound to put -- to kick a field goal. To somebody stop -- your heart a little I knew what kind of fire needs to be -- it. In order if they are not so not forget not -- -- -- little -- patent Colby your heart -- which walked it off the field when it matters. That's what's going earnings are what we wanted to absolutely matters -- defense can not make. Well let me ask you that Ralph let it that is what -- have a what you just said there do you give any credit to this defense for getting off the field. No twice in the fourth quarter I mean I know you're asked -- look I look I get it they're pros they should be able. To play four quarters of of of -- your ball but. It's almost doubles points almost to me you know when you watch college basketball game or whatever and you're down thirty and you fight and fight and fight and fight -- -- get over the hump I mean it. I don't wanna make excuses and did they just run out of steam in your mind -- after. Getting off the field twice in the fourth. I guess. I agree with your point I I I'm not. My point is is when it matters to these sanctions seem that the collapse it's. The Giants have a lot easier to deal with the -- the field in the fourth quarter but on the -- I think a lot I think out of put some the sum you up to the Vikings just aren't very good. Well not very good but they were good enough to have a 26 to three -- or are 23 wanna just 23723. -- -- can't Eagles too long drives -- amazing you know. Starting twice inside the ten yard line him. Been able to get field goals out of it should not happen the Vikings offense is not good enough to do that should not be good enough to do that sort of thing level -- suspect defense I did. -- that they did in and I don't not again I'm not trying to make any. Any sort of makes -- -- -- excuse for the Green Bay Packers. But when you know you -- fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and you actually mean the flame coming into the game seemed to. For whatever reason inspire this team to step up and play. And the defense that maybe they have no faith -- -- seen it or they're like what -- a point of Seneca Wallace is an or whatever but when Matt Flynn came in the game. It seemed like all of a sudden boom. You know all this team this defense stepped up kind of like what -- know when you know in Rodgers when -- we say what had a real affect on everybody says it I think with -- -- And I know we talk about this last week you know I really thought that they're gonna get there -- -- and I felt good about their payments he -- -- I didn't think was good enough to blow anybody yell out packer defense was not good enough pitches that's no. Yeah I was so good you know that was so cool have a little -- fair but he was terrible the rest of the year it was all little holes that it would it has its holes seem. Number written by the were to see that he's just not a starting quarterback you know what it's how to to -- today concede at least he had his shot. This is probably his last -- Those of you every shot starting quarterback but you never know you know he had his run here to prove himself a little bit and I think it's just now it's like well -- he's a snowstorm. 147 on 912 that people on 479912. -- -- Kendrick Tim's right there we'll get to your phone calls coming up next -- your lead off hitter it's -- -- wicket Packers tie. Does it feel like a loss drug test -- as it does I don't think so what do you think what 1479912. That my Netflix could he have another good round with a power -- -- And again you guys yesterday up another good run parent then -- I -- -- somebody -- say you. So for a I don't know. How the -- wicket 648 Sports Radio twelve to PW speaking thinking it. Good morning at 652 would tend to get to the eye injury report here on Sports Radio twelfth -- the -- -- and wicket. Today's injury report brought you by the -- -- associates of Wisconsin there is a difference. Check regularly banged up -- that that tie in a 2626 games. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- All -- that to level and then at night and we left Lambeau just go out of the car there is out there was just see the other bikini girls -- there again. Also the original they're just not look like the original ones that we had in studio couple years ago now OK now demanding they -- new once Newton knew ridiculous this is just the other ones like from Boston. Yet they or they were from Boston back on that note -- loss -- India. Injury report I feel anybody else get banged up yesterday your concern about -- this one pretty for the other Packers had to go and and you don't know Sam Shields in this -- -- no Johnny Jolly that was a late Friday news story the groin injury for him yesterday. Yeah -- did you Johnny Jolly. Yeah I hope that's not gonna do -- lingering things because he really adds. I mean the defense needs a lot of answers right now but. You know he's he's one of the reasons why the run defense was good their for a while -- Because you know jellies physical Plano line of scrimmage but now they'd need to different. -- know what they. Need C. J. Wilson was carted off yesterday with an injury in -- left knee high -- -- Eddie lacy suffering from. Asthma late in the ballgame and I -- yesterday. Other than that -- and -- Barclay you know he he didn't play. Barkley out yeah I know same shield as we mentioned. The other now that's pretty -- -- at least ease asthma thing could be something to look at buries. Career but nothing of significance -- nothing of real significance. -- or he's alive that's -- good to see that -- good to see that Tom. You know the Mets C. J. Wilson minutes no there's not more -- else of significance of Roger's -- they'll know OK he's still out that's about all that matters now -- -- -- -- twelve baby 812 didn't play. There's your injury report brought to you by the -- beating associate that was -- an orthopedic associates of Wisconsin there is. A different this guy -- some -- -- McCarthy was that surly mood after being stadium it was like instantly put the wrong Salisbury -- and look at a table that probably added to this problem but -- -- -- He isn't easy obviously he can't handle losing here isn't that means losing Stanford coach but obviously. You know it just -- -- -- mood after the game if somebody's trying to ask him about Matt Flynn you know as -- was to be your starter Thursday. Immaculate as well you know what I'm going to name common name a starter just before you Thursday already -- Are all being a jerk coming at some -- calling -- usually -- a jerk and that leads us. Might get him also asked the question the editor of the sports pages of the agreement is -- -- -- question and Aramis is like looked at him. And and McCarthy realizing when he did he -- an answer scenario I don't play games like data -- wolf will have an answer for you as very soon we're gonna meet this week. And then a couple of questions later Paul inning from fox sports Wisconsin Al Michaels Packers -- -- GS -- McCarthy so what was your. Assessment of this whole scene today. And -- McCarthy -- jerk again goes. I'm Matt Flynn went infamous quarterback. And he goes on SOS and assess how he's doing this moment -- as the starting quarterback and I was like. Why would you know Mike you just said a couple of questions ago McCarthy. That you were going to be you know a base of and be you know be that way here you won't give an answer Howell which -- your thoughts uncles -- performance. That's when we approached -- pulls him. We wish we -- awful Maclin was place in the game. To give the offense scored. -- SC and really coming. NRA's PS use -- against you how -- seed was and give an answer. I'm combined for 1479912. At the chuck says this one feels like a loss I say it doesn't -- what do you -- 4147991250. Kendrick -- on Sports Radio well to be WS has me. Good morning. -- and -- A trio like a law but that's it and feel like all -- all week we go and it. And everybody -- packer -- last week -- he will play -- with a -- we're playing the Vikings. But we come in there we make ponder looked quite. Break out. They're really good at that by the way a lot of members of -- punt his first game against the Packers. But Horry and Bruce. Adrian Peterson but it probably here -- but when he caught a great game there by what we had told me that you're the Giant Eagle. Vote they -- a lot put on the -- why don't we do it our all or is it that we're gonna realize. It on paper the autographs -- -- -- -- -- -- you realize -- I'll have a good cornerbacks. To us split eight in the box against you know because they're gonna -- That's the second one he does not want us put his corners in one on coverage of some of these guys because. You see what happens. Greg Jennings had a big drop in that game -- me as a big for stock -- but he had a huge drop. Purdue and -- team yesterday which would about first out so flat out drop near the sidelines but he's not a -- -- -- -- you know we have some -- against that secondary. Everyone did you know I had three catches -- hesitant I was a -- party and Brookfield. Wright Patterson -- that. All a long ball or all Wagner. On the same end zone and a save by the same -- -- -- of former -- for real Moss. This morning -- out back in 2004 Mike -- Kendrick but you know house got a hand on it but you know Patterson. -- are you still should have made a play there -- -- him on Sports Radio 12 that the good morning Tim. -- -- -- -- -- -- For our guys -- plays aren't -- rifles on the kitchen table in northern Wisconsin it was a went. Through. -- -- -- -- You really can't walk awful goal oriented you're looking -- affecting -- and are sixteen point outer reality -- come from behind -- -- Always said that -- around orders that famous phrase your play to win the game when you got that bad boy can you run a four yard line and over time. Come on -- to run and then a pat. Are bigger -- understand that McCarty does not -- -- the -- the game because you mean you're not and so what's out there so that. Still edition -- -- in the first and goal from the six. You know I thought even Eddie lacy there to bosses when he threw three times he'd given the ball. Unit six yards and it -- I've never. I never actually claimed this one before and -- sports cliches but I ticket that moment shocked when you're done any of the overtime. -- we're not playing to win their playing not to lose I really believe that at that moment. I think he may have seen what was going on -- at Ford Field may be at -- at the Edward Jones dome or whatever and thought. Don't -- not so bad -- calls coming up second wicket you need to win the game. From the -- is the field Sports Radio 1250 updates studio -- shark freedom legends of the field there one stop shop for memorabilia autographs custom framing and athlete appearances Packers -- Really find themselves a hole if not for pulling out their 26 all time the two and a Vikings at a rally from sixteen point deficit to throw in another quarterback change this weekend mistakes again standout the -- run defense continues to have keeping holes packer coach Mike McCarthy says he's not in his clothes spent a lot of Thomas one. When you took -- page that we showed we've been movies ever says the -- -- what I wanna scare when you're so it's it's a bit of an empty feeling. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Matt attack change quarterbacks that third quarter with Matt -- coming in -- -- holes Ian McCarthy would not name a starter for Thursday's game against the Lions but it's probably a seat but the Flynn will be the fourth different starting quarterback this season. We knew if we did improvements and we we recognize that the kind of go to Norwalk -- -- extremely high. Most happy with the performance of -- -- -- and that the energy's good -- care. It's Packers now 55 and one had to -- to Detroit on Thursday setting up a huge game with the Lions who share first was the NFC north of the -- the Packers half game out -- that I football New England beat Denver 3431. In OT the -- were down 24 W at halftime or rallied to win the game tonight at San Francisco and Washington. 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